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  1. Les Pretexts Utuliser Pour Attaquer L Islam

    Posté 6 mai 2005

    “Women’s Rights” Has No Legitimacy In Islam

    Like secularism, capitalism and democracy, women’s rights also flows from the West to the rest. The various tentacles of the UN are dedicated to propagating women’s rights as universal values. It seems odd that universal values would require external effort to cajole nations into compliance! The issue (women’s rights) is predominantly raised to attack Islam and Muslims, even though it may be more applicable to other religions and cultures that indicate the ulterior motive behind the issue is one of making political gains against adversaries not the welfare of womankind.

    In response to the attack, the Muslims in general have responded in a defensive mode; arguing that the women in Islam do have rights that are comparable to secular societies, which is an admission of defeat as secular values are made the real arbiter. Consequentially, this has helped to foster an apologetic mindset whereby there is a continuous apology for Islam by reinterpreting its laws and values to meet the standards set by the secular movements. In the name of Ijtehad (Scholarly exertion to interpret Islamic texts and deduce laws) and various other pretexts, even the established Sharia rules are being slowly rendered subjective and moulded to meet secular standards.

    Listed below are some of the points frequently raised by the western intelligentsia to undermine the Islamic laws and values pertaining to women while promoting the alternative “woman’s rights”. It also gives us a glimpse of the real politics behind these rights.

    The Islamic Veil (Hijab) or the Bikini?

    The firepower of the west was going to be a liberating force for the women in Afghanistan, post 9/11, but the honourable women of Afghanistan did not strip their veils for the miniskirt. So, in an attempt to kick-start the process of ‘liberation’ a US based Afghani woman was paraded semi-nude in a beauty contest. Eventually, a Hollywood blockbuster would follow where the all American hero would seduce a Muslim woman out of the burqah into an adulterous relationship symbolising her ‘liberation’!

    What is the underlying principle here? If stripping your clothes off to appeal to the male gender is a symbol of liberation, then the lap dancers, strippers, porn actresses and the likes must epitomise the concept of a liberated woman. Accordingly, if the US forces managed to replace the Mosques in Kabul with strip joints, lap dancers and brothels entertaining their soldiers that would have symbolised ‘liberation’ of the Afghan women.

    Such arguments tend to indicate that woman’s rights are always and directly tied to her ability to appear in scanty revealing clothes as opposed to her education or other achievements in life. This is usually followed by the ludicrous argument of denial that the women appear in revealing clothes to ‘feel good’ and not to appeal to the male instincts. So, high-heel shoes must be more comfortable than flat shoes, scanty clothes in freezing temperature must be better than baggy warm clothes, tight clothes more comfortable than baggy clothes. I must admit as a male I am at a loss in trying to understand such ‘profound’ arguments. It does seem ironic that ‘emancipated’ women spend most of their energies trying to titillate to the opposite sex in their clothes, makeup and diet while this emancipation has only increased their dependency on the male gender!

    Now that we know a woman is described as ‘progressive’ and ‘liberated’ for replacing the veil with the mini-skirt, then why draw a line with absolute nudity. The female emancipation barometer seems to be measured by how much she is willingly to strip off but the going beyond the bra and bikini is considered indecent. So, how did one conclude that is where the border of decency and indecency lies? Thus, the most pertinent question why the minimum dress code enforced by the secular societies any more correct than the limits imposed by the Islamic Sharia?

    Polygamy or Sexual Freedom (Promiscuity)?

    Polygamous relationships pre-dates Islam, it existed in Judeo-Christian traditions and most other religions. Therefore, why target Islam specifically on this issue of polygamy? I do find it astonishingly hypocritical for the West to incessantly argue against polygamy when one would be hard pressed to find a virtuous monogamous man amongst them! Do they seriously think that the upright ‘monogamous’ West is on some sort of moral crusade confronting the ‘depraved’ polygamous Islam? In reality, even from high school or earlier, the competition is fierce amongst boys to capture many virgins as possible in the West.

    Night clubs, parties, holidays are the dedicated places encouraging the boys and girls to maximise their fun and experience licensed by ‘sexual freedom’. This is used constantly to push the boundaries of sexual taboos, permitting and encouraging sexual activities that involve multiple partners in the form of open relationships to sordid orgies and the likes. Only the arrogant hypocrite would refuse to see the contradiction of criticising polygamy while using the license of ‘sexual freedom’ to permit all sorts of sexual activities!

    So, it seems that polygamous relationship is acceptable but as long as it is not a marriage with legal obligations. When a celebrity manages to engage several women in one night it becomes a selling point for tabloids, an example for the new generations, earning the envy of most men. Even more, a man can make an appearance on a national TV-show announcing that he has boyfriend to his wife or that he is literally in love with his dog or any other forms of perversion as long as it is not a second wife!

    The power of propaganda is so immense that many of the Muslim apologists have started to deny the existence of a restricted practice of polygamy in Sharia laws. A classic and idiotic argument to deny Polygamy is made when they say “Islam has obliged you to give equal treatment to all your wives and since this is not possible, a task beyond human capacity, hence, Polygamy is only a theoretical possibility”. I do not understand why God would permit Polygamy if it is beyond the ability of the male gender! Why GOD would pronounce such meaningless statements? I guess you have to have the ‘wisdom’ of the apologists to understand such pronouncements or neo-Ijtehad.

    Freedom of Choice and Enforcement?

    Muslim women are denied a choice under the Islamic laws while the emancipated Western women have endless choices being free. But what are those choices and what is the implication for the society if the individuals are given those choices. Choice is not intrinsically a virtue; it can bring chaos, and if incorrect choices, are made than it causes more harm than good. As an example, from an Islamic perspective the huge flesh industry of porn and prostitution is viewed as exploitation and degradation of women. The West would reply by stating that those women decided of their own free will to pursue a career in that industry. There is no doubt woman’s flesh sells, it makes money like any another commodity in the free market economy.

    However, the business of porn and prostitution by its nature is exploitative and degrading regardless of how it is produced, by choice or compulsion. It is predominantly produced to satisfy the lust of the male gender; the long term effect on society is that it inculcates a certain mentality and psyche amongst the youth. The implications are huge, from the growth in sexual crimes, single parent families, drug dependencies etc.

    In any case, no society endorses absolute freedom of choice. Every society enforces certain laws and values to maintain order and stability. The restrictions applied to Muslim women are equally applicable to Muslim men, as the laws regulate the behaviour of both the male and female. If you separate the female from the male, the male too is separated from the female. But no one is interested the restriction on male because the real focus is on the access to Muslim women, removing the traditional barriers. Why, because we know flesh sells!

    Gender Equality or Gender Harmony?

    Gender Equality is a one-dimensional view focusing primarily on the relationship between two adult peers engaged in a marital relationship. What role does it play between father and daughter, mother and son, uncle and niece, grandfather and granddaughter relationships? Furthermore, why is the standard of equality measured by referring to the male gender as the base line? Consequentially, women are increasingly pushed to imitate men in every sphere to symbolise emancipation and equality. Surely this is the biggest insult to womanhood as it assumes her to be unequal until she does what men do!

    Also are there any limits of gender equality? Should the gender differences become totally immaterial in determining the laws and values? If so, the long term implications would be that the concept of moms and dads, brothers and sisters, husbands and wives etc. lose any meaning. Similarly, the distinction between homosexual and heterosexual relationship would also vanish. In the name of gender equality should we reach a point where the only distinction remaining would be the bodily organs? And is it for the advocates of gender equality to clarify the limits to which this should be allowed and pursued?

    In a previous article [1] I cited evidences from the three Abrahamic religions (Islam, Christianity and Judaism) highlighting the absence of ‘gender equality’ as espoused by the current secular trends. Also, I elaborated and provided corroborative evidences from history and human nature confirming the fallacy of gender equality. Throughout human history, the two genders have generally functioned to complement each other particularly in a husband and wife relationship as opposed to acting as adversaries competing in every sphere. Islam in line human nature espouses for the harmony between two genders and not a full scale war.

    Who Are The Chivalrous Knights Of Woman’s Rights?

    Apart from the idea of woman’s rights, it is important to get glimpse of those, in particular the male gender, on how to uphold such lofty values. Men in the West are caught in between by a culture that constantly agitates their sexual instincts and also demands ‘respect’ for women by complying with the codes of being politically correct. Nominal respect shown by the men is due to the fear of being subjected to the laws of sexual harassment and thus being politically correct is simply pretentious.

    It is the constant agitation of their sexual instinct that will always be the dominating factor in their behaviour. Their macho minds are filled with a culture of porn with images of women as sexual object transmitted by the lewd pop-fashion-film industry: pieces of flesh to consume. They showed their inner traits when they can get away with it. Rape in the Western society is constantly on the increase, it also prevalent within the army. That is why many of the soldiers raped in Iraq as given the opportunity they will shed their mask as soldiers of woman’s rights.

    At night they hunt in the clubs and parties for women’s flesh. There is even sex-tourism organised so that the flag bearers of woman’s rights routinely raid the cheap and poverty stricken flesh market in the Far East! These are the men who have been busy ‘scoring’ by hunting females from an early age who are going to teach the Islamic world about the merits of virtuous monogamous relationship! It is laughable and absurd as the criminals like Bush, Blair and Sharon talks about lofty values as peace, morality and now eliminating poverty. When these men are drunk just see how they regard the opposite sex, their discussion barely rises above the waistlines. At this point the liberated woman would definitely feel less secure amongst these chivalrous knights.

    If there was genuine enthusiasm towards woman’s rights in general, then all women would be treated with respect. An elderly woman in the West is rarely treated with respect as a motherly figure but often a subject to mocking, the familiar term of the old bag, witch etc. Because her youth has passed, she is no longer a valuable commodity in the free market and quarantined into old peoples home.

    Genuine respect is fostered by an environment where the two sexes relate to each other by values that are not driven by their carnal desires and whims. In a permissive culture one loses real respect for women; the loss of sense of shame and modesty and the notion of honour of a woman becomes meaningless. Sexual crimes are viewed as trivial, which is why lenient punishment is dispensed for it, where as in Islam the punishment is most severe as the crime is recognised as severe, because Islam places value on the honour of a woman!

    The old cliché, judge them by their fruits, shows that ‘liberated’ societies with emancipated women and men have not attained greater levels of happiness and stability. In fact the social trend shows the reverse, breakdown in family life, soaring divorce rates, increasing dependencies on drugs. Rape, domestic violence and all sorts of social crimes are constantly on the increase.

    Media Manipulation

    Recently, a TV documentary referred to the Turkish producers of porno films not as “Turkish pornographers” but as “Muslim Pornographers”. It is truly amazing that even the most non-practicing, westernised liberals who are engaged in the most un-Islamic acts are coloured with the Muslim brush. Another vivid example is the Kurdish father who killed his young daughter for engaging in an adulterous relationship that was immediately identified as an act of a Muslim. However, the entire Kurdish population in Iraq have been labelled only as Kurds rather then Muslims from 1991. Likewise, the media deliberately shows the punishment given out to the adulterous woman (not the man) to reinforce the image that Islam only target women.

    The picture of the Taliban punishing the women who was already convicted in a court was presented in the western media whose audiences have already been brainwashed with the idea that the Taliban target women indiscriminately. In reality the women prisoner of the Taliban included the famous Western journalist Yvonne Ridley who later embraced Islam testified otherwise. Even in Iraq, it is the ugly US soldiers that are deliberately raping and killing women in Fallujah and Abu-Ghraib. Where as all the women prisoners at the hands of the Muslims from Private Jessica Lynch to the Italian journalists were freed unharmed, they were treated very well according to their own words.

    In general every effort is made by the media to link to Islam as an underlying factor whenever any unpleasant incident occurs that is contrary to the teachings of Islam. Likewise the cultural baggage the Muslims carry that often leads to un-Islamic practices like honour killing, forced marriages, unfair denial of education are all linked with Islam by the media rather than the absence of Islam.

    What Islam Says

    The Islamic perspective is clear: women are not equal to men and men are not equal to women. Neither party are inferior or superior to each other. Their positions are defined with a set of rights and responsibilities. A husband may have rights over his wife but the husband is subordinate to his mother. Similarly, a mother may have rights over her son, but she is in turn subordinate to her father. The relationships between the two genders are complex and multifaceted. It is the Islamic laws that shape the relationship in terms of designating rights and obligations between the two genders at various positions.

    It is only rational and consistent to protect the rights of everyone including women by invoking the Islamic laws instead of resorting to secular arguments that are rooted in feminism. If secular values are the criteria then it makes little sense to interpret Islam to fit into the secular garb but far greater sense to simply abandon it. Why go for secular compatible Islam instead of pure secularism? It simply makes no sense. Unfortunately there are even feminists in Hijab along with their male apologists in leash are using Islamic texts to promote non-Islamic ideas like woman’s rights, gender equality as Islamic, wittingly or unwittingly. If a man or a woman has been denied their rights we invoke the Islamic laws not some arbitrary foreign principle like woman’s rights or men’s rights.

    Had Islam and Muslim men been oppressive to women, the feminist movement would have arisen from within the Islamic societies as opposed to being imported wholesale from the west. The origin of such movements perhaps reflects where the real oppression of women exists! No one can explain why Islam supposedly anti-Woman stance continues to attract more women than men. Both ration and Islamic texts dictates that “women’s rights” has no place in Islam, those who speak in its name have the worst track record in violating the rights of womankind and it is a political tool employed selectively against its opponents.

    halla back

    "hypocrisy is the only evel thats invisible except to allah alone"
    "when straying and searching for the sympathy of the west"
  2. Dapres Ayaan...

    Posté 1 mai 2005

    salam folks

    so! d apres ayan hersi dans le coran on permet a l homme de violer sa femme?mmmmm.... la meme femme dont le coran fait reference comme etant son jardin et que l homme devrait la traiter avec tant de tendresse?....surpris qu elle ait tenue des propos d ignes d une mecreante? helas je ne suis pas surpris parce que c ne pas la premiere ni la derniere.....L ISLAM A DEUX ENNEMIES interne et externe.....

    ma question est... comment en peu de temps car elle n est qu en holland depuis une dizaine d annee comment peut elle etre une apostate?.....pire c une chose de renoncer ta religion mais c une autre chose d insulter la religion et ses pratiquants-tes... tout ca ne serais ce que pour avoir la sympatie du pays qui l accueille?...

    dans tout les cas....walahi elle meriterait que ces jeunes bons gens la tue insha allah....qu elle souffre le meme sors qu est ce fascist VAN PKOI SOUILLER SA RELIGION POUR SES FINS? ...dire qu elle dit l islam est intolerant envers les que dire de c fameux VAN gAY? fascist tout court

    "when straying ur religion and beleifs for the wests sympathy"
  3. Juste Un Salut....

    Posté 30 avril 2005

    salam folks

    moi c siranyo....fait une belle lurrette que j ai pas visite c site alors me-revoila

    pour l instant un blanc de memoir aucun sujet en tete... a tanto dee la classe

    nice sein you folks

  4. Annulation Des Dette Du Tier Monde

    Posté 8 mars 2004


    ouais je fais parti de ce comite qui exige qu on annule la dette du tier monde
    apres tout on ne demande que c qu on nous doit pour nous avoir exploiter ces foutus pays occidentaux tels que l espagne, france, portugal les belges la liste continue so on and so freakin forth u get the point. sorte de reparation se serait bien non cela faciliterait la tache au tier monde de se remettre sur pied.

    putain pas le temps de finir mais vous voyez ou je veux en venir les biens qu ils nous ont fauches pas meilleur facon de nous le remettre.

    "hypocrisy is the only evil that walks alone except to ALLAH alone"
  5. Iog Et Ses 40.....

    Posté 18 sept. 2003


    bon voila je voudrais communiquer avec le leader djib iog koi alors je me demande est ce possible via internet, email koi, ou avec son relationsite, pourrais lui demander quelques questions a lui et ses 40 voleurs.

    comment expliquer que quelqu'un peut amasser autant d argent et etre inconscient au point de ne pas diserner entre l'envit et le besoin?
    qu est ce que l avenir reserve pour djibouti? ses objectifs
    qu arrive t il des jeunes...n est ce pas nous qui devrons prendre la releve?

    a Ismael omar guelleh et ses 40 voleurs

    Jamais plus tu ne seras quitte,

    peuple a moitie alerte va au but et tu t'agites.
    Ton destin est le plus amer.

    ton coeur fit hamp, ton coeur fit hump

    Pendant que tu actionnes le khat
    la plante douce, pour les punir
    dans l inconscience.

    toi seul est l etre qui n obeit point
    t as preferes a ETRE a l'obéissance
    le peuple ne l est pas encore et il souffre

    djibouti souffre ni vivante ni morte
    elle vit et n existe pas

    L Etre est celui qui s'imagine Etre
    Etre assez pour se dispenser
    D'apprendre ce que veut ALLAH

    "hypocrisy is the only evil that walks invisible except to god alone"

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