[cactus]

Bonjour à tous, un petit sondage

A quoi est due, à votre avis, l’attitude de réticence dont continuent de faire montre les investisseurs étrangers à l’égard du marché djiboutien ?

Ce message a été modifié par cactus - 11 juin 2005 - 12:04 .

[Balou]

hey,la situation politique d'un pays peut affecte a reduire l investissement etranger mais je crois pas k c'est le pillar de nos probleme. Je crois ke celles-ci sont plutot lie a l abscence totale dune main d oeuvre qualifie et des resources.

[inajib]

Pour investir dans tel ou tel pays, les investisseurs étrangers exigent, en général, qu’il y ait une croissance économique stable. De ce point de vue, il faut noter que ce n’est que tout récemment que Djibouti a commencé à renouer avec la stabilité économique( de moins en moins de ratard de salaires).

Par ailleurs, les investisseurs préfèrent les pays où il y a absence de risques politiques , il faut savoir que pour les investisseurs étrangers cette notion signifie que tout fonctionne bien, y compris l’administration.

Sur ce registre, de nombreuses réformes restent encore à accomplir pour parvenir à instaurer un environnement favorable à l’attraction de l’investissement direct étranger (IDE). Il y a lieu de dire dans ce contexte que la réforme de la justice est entre autres nécessaire.

[bounty]

inajib, le Saturday 11 June 2005, 14:08, dit :

Pour investir dans tel ou tel pays, les investisseurs étrangers exigent, en général, qu’il y ait une croissance économique stable. De ce point de vue, il faut noter que ce n’est que tout récemment que Djibouti a commencé à renouer avec la stabilité économique( de moins en moins de ratard de salaires).

Par ailleurs, les investisseurs préfèrent les pays où il y a absence de risques politiques , il faut savoir que pour les investisseurs étrangers cette notion signifie que tout fonctionne bien, y compris l’administration.

Sur ce registre, de nombreuses réformes restent encore à accomplir pour parvenir à instaurer un environnement favorable à l’attraction de l’investissement direct étranger (IDE). Il y a lieu de dire dans ce contexte que la réforme de la justice est entre autres nécessaire.

bien sur inajib
tu verrais un patron obliger de prendre un billet d'avion aller simple.

[djib_extremiste]

Ce ki refrenerai les Foreign Direct Investment serait les etats pitoyables des nos infrastructure routieres, telecommunication, buildings....
See to attract investors.. A country should have the required infrastructure that would ease the flow between the Parent country and the subsidary....
If a good infrustructures are built in the country.. .it would serve as a platform to transport goods and services to the whole horn of Africa...
The cost of rent. power and lights (electricity) are also a deterent to the FDI's...I also believe that a lotta advertising should be done to increase the visibility of the country...
I believe that Political risk is low at Djib since we have peace and all...mais l'etat de notre ville est deplorable...
However the only factor other than good infrastructure that would attract investors at Djib would be a cheap labor which is impossible at Djib given the high standards of living (khat)...

Like Balou said...A high proportion of educated would also help.... they call that Intellectual Capital...

[Desaxee]

foreigners (westerners mainly) doesn't invest in AFRICA because they don't trust africans.
First of all: no democracy, a fat dictator reigns in the country, which implies a lot of unhappy inhabitants which in turn give guerilla (FRUD), or political tensions.
Look at djibouti, How can an american compagny can trust a country like ours? no oposition, political dissidents in exile, rigged electoral vote, poor people everywhere.
Second of all: corruption in every level even the anonymous guy at the bottom of the hierarchy, lootocracy...

And you are wondering why westerners don't invest in Africa, 90% of African countries are in political chaos. No stability nowhere.
Have you forgetten we live in the Dark continent...?

[un pote]

salam,

les investisseurs sont reticent pour les marches africains en general et a djibouti en particulier parce qu une d'une part le cout /avantage est tres faible ..lorsqu il dresse les previsions ..il s avere que le risque de ne pas faire de profit reste superieur a l effet contraire..il faut rapeller que djibouti n a pratiquement jamais ete dans une stabilite economique..enfin elle commence a renoue avec mais dans une certaine mesure..!
Enfin plusieur facteurs font que les investisseurs sont reticent..autres que celui de l economie..

peace!

[djib_extremiste]

I've got to agree with u on the high corruption level of our country... its also a factor that woud ternish the image of Djibouti... but compared to our neighbours we've scored the lowest corruption rate, and political risk...

the lack of information concerning the economic indicators, the lack of market research or the fake figures that have been provided by the governement entities ( those posted by Walane : ~20% of growth rate which is derisoire) would also affect the credibility of the government....

The most important thing is the lack of market... we are poor people... even if Mc Donald sets up branches in Djib only 2% of 500.000 can afford to eat burgers...pas la peine de se deplacer...

That reminds me of when India opened up for investments and alotta companies like Mercedes, Autobavaria started comin in... accordin to their research.. India had one of the biggest middle class of the world.... 200 to 300 million.... u do the math....
but after 3 years of waitin... these companies started delocating and gettin out... coz they found out what was middle class for India was just the equivalent of the lowest-social class of Europe.... thos who cannot afford a car or anythin like that...

For any further devellopment to happen in Djibout a lotta unecessary cost need to be reduced like the cost of Electricity....

salamatay...

[Walane]

I am not an economist but I believe that in order to attract foreign investment we need to be competetive at all level. From personal experience ( and I am sure you have heard this on news if you are in europe and americas) I have learned that companies will always try to save money. Some companies like my previous employer outsource some of their departments abroad (india is one of the hot favorite , along come china). It seem to work for most of them although some companies reversed their outsourcing policy due to the unhappiness of their customers about the quality of services.

This lead us to the question: are we competitive? My answer is simply NO.
We are far from it in many ways:


According the article I have posted (section Labor) we are lacking of skilled and experienced worker. I agree with my friend Idro about the need of education but our differences was on how we can achieve this. I just don’t believe in filling classrooms alone.

The same article states that “Telecommunications are reliable, but expensive”

Electricity: the blood sucking, the impoverishing machine, the national plague, the heavy burden, the nightmare of most djiboutians ( if not all) is another reason why foreign companies will not set a foot in there. I even heard that the tyranny in place use it as weapon against those who oppose it..they simply find an excuse and cutt if off.

Corruption= kill competition, favors monopolism ,some pay taxes some evades, bureaucracy (poor services – lack of commitment -) unfair judicial system, , favoritism of familly/friends for jobs instead of the best, the list goes on and on and on

Security = where there is an oppressor there is always a resistance. Sooner or later this will happen. Companies expect some sort of stability no for 1,2,3,5 or 10 years


Drugs: we produce more drog addicts than high-school graduates

In summary, we have little or no natural resources. The only thing we have are humans: we need to concentrate on the well being
1- health most of all – introduce method of discouraging the khat – enforce law against illegal drugs, promote sports througout the years not just when election approach,
2- education, education, education = high number of graduate/bachelor alone is not a solution , quality must exist..we must specialise and increase effort on area where there is potential (indians started concentrating on IT some twenty years back)
“* India produces more than 870,000 new IT graduates a year and produces more than a million engineering graduates a year, plus 16 million others with engineering diplomas. India is leading the way in new areas of pharmaceuticals, biotech, electrical and mechanical engineering. China also.”


We also need to get rid of the tyranny in power. There is no alternative. They are responsible of all other problems.

[DjibeauGosse]

Salut tout le monde,

Selon moi les raisons pour lesquelles Djibouti as du mal à attirer des investissements etrangers direct sont:

* Mauvais Climat economique: En effet, les couts de productions à Djibouti sont chères ( electricité, eau, salaires des employes etc..), les infrastructures ne sont pas disponibles non plus.

* Mauvais climat politique: Un dictateur donc pas de démocratie, une corruption paralysante etc.. Des systemes de santé et d'education presque inexistant.

Enfin le probleme est simple, mais quel solution ?!

Djibeaugosse

[Desaxee]

wooww Walane

Citation

We also need to get rid of the tyranny in power. There is no alternative. They are responsible of all other problems

that's the mother of all battles

[Real Tuam]

Les couts de production de l'electricite peuvent etre alleges par la recherche de solutions alternatives comme l'ont fait nos voisins Kenyans en exploitant la geothermie.
Bien qu'il s'agisse d'un domaine dans lequel nous avons un avantage comparatif, rien n'a ete entrepris dans ce domaine vital depuis l'elephant blanc que representait les investissements des annees de l'immediat apres-independance...
L'eau est quant a elle liee a la disponibilite de l'electricite a faible cout (dessalement).

Vous parlez naivement de main d'oeuvre sous-qualifiee et pourtant relativement chere.
En effet, les couts de l'electricite et de l'eau n'expliquent cette contradiction apparente que de facon tres superficielle dans la mesure ou le cout de la vie est artificiellement tire vers le haut dans une large mesure...ceci etant due au fait que la speculation et les rentes immobilieres, entre autres, dont tire profit l'oligarchie maffieuse affiliee a la tyrannie priment largement sur notre interet general.
Comment s'etonner alors de l'absence notable de veritable classe moyenne qui est pourtant a la base de tout decollage economique?

Last but not least, le delabrement tant de notre systeme sanitaire qu'educatif conjugue au favoritisme clanique institutionnalise par la dictature depuis notre independance ne fait qu'inciter encore plus a l'exil les rares Djibs competents dont notre pays a cruellement besoin...et sacrifie ses maigres ressources a leur couteuse formation!

Enfin, pas besoin de posseder un Nobel en sciences eco pour realiser que sans un minimum de justice et de garanties egales pour les droits de tous les citoyens et ce sans aucune discrimination, aucun progres ne sera envisageable.
En d'autres termes on peut difficilement tenir rigueur aux Djibouto-yemenites et Djibouto-somalilandais d'investir "chez eux" contrairement a la propagande fascisante de la tyrannie sectaire...



PS: De quel lobby est-il question ici?

[Balou]

The situation is compelling; there is not a sparred member of the country which is healthy. Whether u talk about the electricity, water, regime, qualifications etc…
But worse is when those who give themselves the sorrow to help the country , to lift up the small population from the poverty face nothing else but unqualified workers and obliged to outsource 70 % of its personnel.

A good example is the port of Dorale which will be filled by 70% of expatriate who will unfortunately rub the salt on the wound by sending away(‘fuite de Capital’) the little contribution we got from the Dubai Port Authority

Besides, the 30% who got the opportunity require higher wages. Economically speaking, When a country has no comparative advantage concerning the resource it can extract from its soil it has a cost advantage among many things. But, we are neither of the categories and have absolutely no appealing advantage.

[libaax78]

tout a fais d'accord avec vous inajib

inajib, le Saturday 11 June 2005, 14:08, dit :

Pour investir dans tel ou tel pays, les investisseurs étrangers exigent, en général, qu’il y ait une croissance économique stable. De ce point de vue, il faut noter que ce n’est que tout récemment que Djibouti a commencé à renouer avec la stabilité économique( de moins en moins de ratard de salaires).

Par ailleurs, les investisseurs préfèrent les pays où il y a absence de risques politiques , il faut savoir que pour les investisseurs étrangers cette notion signifie que tout fonctionne bien, y compris l’administration.

Sur ce registre, de nombreuses réformes restent encore à accomplir pour parvenir à instaurer un environnement favorable à l’attraction de l’investissement direct étranger (IDE). Il y a lieu de dire dans ce contexte que la réforme de la justice est entre autres nécessaire.

[libaax78]

wallane,
pour ne pas faire un polémique chui d'ac avec toi la clé est l'education mais comment faire entendre à une boule dictatrice le benefice d'une population d'education à haut niveau qd cette meme boule suit le chemin de song oncle et vire encore 65% de jeunes au CM2.il n'y a pas de fumée sans feu donc ne rever pas et prier le bon dieu pour des jour meilleurs à nos enfants.et pour la comptitivité we must first hit the 45% after BHD les gars pour parler de matter.may we succeed in the futur.

Walane, le Monday 13 June 2005, 12:12, dit :

I am not an economist but I believe that in order to attract foreign investment we need to be competetive at all level. From personal experience ( and I am sure you have heard this on news if you are in europe and americas) I have learned that companies will always try to save money. Some companies like my previous employer outsource some of their departments abroad (india is one of the hot favorite , along come china). It seem to work for most of them although some companies reversed their outsourcing policy due to the unhappiness of their customers about the quality of services.

This lead us to the question: are we competitive?  My answer is simply NO.
We are far from it in many ways:


According the article I have posted (section Labor) we are lacking of skilled and experienced worker. I agree with my friend Idro about the need of education but our differences was on how we can achieve this. I just don’t believe in filling classrooms alone.

The same article states that “Telecommunications are reliable, but expensive”

Electricity: the blood sucking, the impoverishing machine, the national plague, the heavy burden, the nightmare of most djiboutians ( if not all) is another reason why foreign companies will not set a foot in there. I even heard that the tyranny in place use it as weapon against those who oppose it..they simply find an excuse and cutt if off.

Corruption= kill competition, favors monopolism ,some pay taxes some evades, bureaucracy (poor services – lack of commitment -) unfair judicial system, , favoritism of familly/friends for jobs instead of the best, the list goes on and on and on

Security = where there is an oppressor there is always a resistance. Sooner or later this will happen. Companies expect some sort of stability no for 1,2,3,5 or 10 years


Drugs: we produce more drog addicts than high-school graduates 

In summary, we have little or no natural resources. The only thing we have are humans: we need to concentrate on the well being
1- health most of all – introduce method of discouraging the khat – enforce law against illegal drugs, promote sports througout the years not just when election approach, 
2- education, education, education = high number of graduate/bachelor alone is not a solution , quality must exist..we must specialise and increase effort on area where there is potential (indians started concentrating on IT some twenty years back)
“* India produces more than 870,000 new IT graduates a year and produces more than a million engineering graduates a year, plus 16 million others with engineering diplomas. India is leading the way in new areas of pharmaceuticals, biotech, electrical and mechanical engineering. China also.”


We also need to get rid of the tyranny in power. There is no alternative. They are responsible of all other problems.