[thorgal]

king(1), le 21 novembre 2013 - 05:59 , dit :

When a Muslim wants to debate about a holy book such as the Bible, he should not use his own holy book (the Quran) as a reference because by doing this, he wants to say from the beginning "I am right and the other is wrong!" He is not looking for the truth objectively. He wants to be a judge and a debater at the same time. You say Christians already discredit the Quran but you forget Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik are doing that same thing. They defame the Bible before any debate starts.
Deedat and Naik believe in an imaginary Torah and Injeel (Gospel. They just take verses from the Bible out of their context to support what they are trying to convey to Muslim audience.

Un exemple concret sur ce forum pour illustrer tes écrits:
http://www.djibnet.c...post__p__225044

Ce message a été modifié par thorgal - 22 novembre 2013 - 01:56 .

[agentlo]

king(1), le 21 November 2013 - 04:59 PM, dit :

When a Muslim wants to debate about a holy book such as the Bible, he should not use his own holy book (the Quran) as a reference because by doing this, he wants to say from the beginning "I am right and the other is wrong!" He is not looking for the truth objectively. He wants to be a judge and a debater at the same time. You say Christians already discredit the Quran but you forget Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik are doing that same thing. They defame the Bible before any debate starts.
Deedat and Naik believe in an imaginary Torah and Injeel (Gospel. They just take verses from the Bible out of their context to support what they are trying to convey to Muslim audience.

@King I think you are speaking out of thin Air and don't know the meaning of defaming so let me help you out, defaming means damage the good reputation of (someone); slander or libel. Deedat did not defame but proved that the Bible have been distortioned and nobody who is in his right mind will deny that after going through all debate that he had with Christians.

@King you seem you want to be someone you are not Since you are saying that you know better than Deedat and Dr. Zakir, tell us your credential. So that we can believe you more.
The Torah and Injeel are the wholy scriptures send by Allah unlike the Bible that have been distortioned by some christians and some jews. Besides the Quran is the last wholy book sent to mankind and it does not belongs to Muslims only. So stop your non-sense going no where arguments. Make a stand on defend your stand with fiable sources.

PS: Rather jumping to your own conclusion and give us a lecture where you have non experience or the know-how, you should reply to my question as you still did not reply that Muslim stole the wholy place of Jews in the previous post you made. I asked you to share with us the sources of your arguments in order for us to check. But you kept mum, so back your claims with facts and fiable source cher ami.

So make sure you back up your claims King.

Ciao

Ce message a été modifié par agentlo - 22 novembre 2013 - 05:54 .

[king(1)]

agentlo, le 22 November 2013 - 02:30 AM, dit :

@King I think you are speaking out of thin Air and don't know the meaning of defaming so let me help you out, defaming means damage the good reputation of (someone); slander or libel. Deedat did not defame but proved that the Bible have been distortioned and nobody who is in his right mind will deny that after going through all debate that he had with Christians.

@King you seem you want to be someone you are not Since you are saying that you know better than Deedat and Dr. Zakir, tell us your credential. So that we can believe you more.
The Torah and Injeel are the wholy scriptures send by Allah unlike the Bible that have been distortioned by some christians and some jews. Besides the Quran is the last wholy book sent to mankind and it does not belongs to Muslims only. So stop your non-sense going no where arguments. Make a stand on defend your stand with fiable sources.

PS: Rather jumping to your own conclusion and give us a lecture where you have non experience or the know-how, you should reply to my question as you still did not reply that Muslim stole the wholy place of Jews in the previous post you made. I asked you to share with us the sources of your arguments in order for us to check. But you kept mum, so back your claims with facts and fiable source cher ami.

So make sure you back up your claims King.

Ciao

You are not ready to hear anything that does not get along with your view. You are a CD

[agentlo]

king(1), le 22 November 2013 - 05:38 PM, dit :

You are not ready to hear anything that does not get along with your view. You are a CD

@King I was expecting such reply because you have nothing to say, can not counter my argument with facts and you already run away...As expected of people like you giving lectures where they have no-expertise and then hide behind low excuses as that the other side is not listening because we have different view points...

PS: I think now you know why I call some people by their real characters names (no offense)

[thorgal]

king(1), le 22 novembre 2013 - 06:38 , dit :

You are not ready to hear anything that does not get along with your view. You are a CD

C'est cela le problème avec lui, il veut débattre mais uniquement avec ceux qui sont de la même couleur, même religion et qui pense comme lui...
En gros il veut bien débattre, mais avec lui même !!

[the turtle]

agentlo, le 23 novembre 2013 - 04:46 , dit :

@King I was expecting such reply because you have nothing to say, can not counter my argument with facts and you already run away...As expected of people like you giving lectures where they have no-expertise and then hide behind low excuses as that the other side is not listening because we have different view points...

PS: I think now you know why I call some people by their real characters names (no offense)

King ne se rend pas cpte que plus cd que lui on meurt. Est-ce parce que les robes blanches prevues pour toute la population djiboutienne lors de la grande Nuit d'orgie ou king veut sacrifier tous les djiboutiens pour satisfaire ses nveaux dieux seraient pretes..?

Tous peuvent voir aujourd'hui que l'un de ses dieux est impatient et lui fait des reproches sur sa lenteur.

Pauvre king, nous t'admirames pourtant fort, avant cette decheance sans nom ou tu t'es reduit.

[agentlo]

thorgal, le 23 November 2013 - 12:05 PM, dit :

C'est cela le problème avec lui, il veut débattre mais uniquement avec ceux qui sont de la même couleur, même religion et qui pense comme lui...
En gros il veut bien débattre, mais avec lui même !!

Hello Darwin Alice, man up enough rather than clapping and hiding behind others ppl postings...Since when brain and logics are color bind, you have something to share do it with intelligence and facts not blablabla...

Yes you lack intelligence as shown many types that you have problems understanding your own language and worst also you want to lecture us and guide our way of thinking where in fact your idiocy is for all to see.
I know you are burning inside you that you can bring anything against our Muslims Scholars who beat you in your own language and logics. History is in our side miserable Darwin Alice while it is not in your favor.
Keep roaming in Djibnet, we know all why "mal-aime par son entourage" and looking for a purpose in a Djib forum.
From your first PM to me I knew you were an idiot Thorgal, so nothing has changed.

Go seek help Darwin Alice and good luck with your new mission

[thorgal]

C'est bien tu es persuadé de détenir la vérité juste parce que tu es musulman...
Pour ma part j'accepte qu'il puisse exister d'autres religions dans le monde et je les respecte tant qu'elles ne veulent pas s'imposer .Toi tu te caches derrière un livre écrit par des hommes comme n'importe quel livre.Jésus ne m'a jamais demandé à ce que l'on tue au nom de Dieu, ou que l'on réduise à l'esclavage les autres hommes au nom de Dieu.
C'est toujours l'homme qui l'a fait en prétextant que Dieu l'autoriser...dans toutes les religions.
Encore aujourd'hui encore certains musulmans viennent se faire exploser dans des mosquées pour tuer les leurs comme les protestants tuer les catholiques en 1550...

[the turtle]

agentlo, le 23 novembre 2013 - 06:27 , dit :

Hello Darwin Alice, man up enough rather than clapping and hiding behind others ppl postings...Since when brain and logics are color bind, you have something to share do it with intelligence and facts not blablabla...

Yes you lack intelligence as shown many types that you have problems understanding your own language and worst also you want to lecture us and guide our way of thinking where in fact your idiocy is for all to see.
I know you are burning inside you that you can bring anything against our Muslims Scholars who beat you in your own language and logics. History is in our side miserable Darwin Alice while it is not in your favor.
Keep roaming in Djibnet, we know all why "mal-aime par son entourage" and looking for a purpose in a Djib forum.
From your first PM to me I knew you were an idiot Thorgal, so nothing has changed.

Go seek help Darwin Alice and good luck with your new mission

[agentlo]

thorgal, le 23 November 2013 - 04:01 PM, dit :

C'est bien tu es persuadé de détenir la vérité juste parce que tu es musulman...
Pour ma part j'accepte qu'il puisse exister d'autres religions dans le monde et je les respecte tant qu'elles ne veulent pas s'imposer .Toi tu te caches derrière un livre écrit par des hommes comme n'importe quel livre.Jésus ne m'a jamais demandé à ce que l'on tue au nom de Dieu, ou que l'on réduise à l'esclavage les autres hommes au nom de Dieu.
C'est toujours l'homme qui l'a fait en prétextant que Dieu l'autoriser...dans toutes les religions.
Encore aujourd'hui encore certains musulmans viennent se faire exploser dans des mosquées pour tuer les leurs comme les protestants tuer les catholiques en 1550...

So now you are believer in Jesus? keep entertaining me....

PS: As you said some Muslims and as we had many discussions on this I think you will remember Muslim =! Islam.

Ce message a été modifié par agentlo - 24 novembre 2013 - 06:44 .

[agentlo]

@King:
As promised here is the book that will give you a detailed overview of the Middle-East History and Islam.
A Concise History of the Middle East by Arthur Goldschmidt Jr. and Lawrence Davidson.
ISBN-10: 0813348218 | ISBN-13: 978-0813348216 | Edition: Tenth Edition, Tenth Edition.
Hopefully you will learn something after spending sometimes to instruct yourself before making baseless accusations.

[the turtle]

Cher frere Agentlo,

Maintenant, je comprends mieux pourquoi tu as parle tout de suite des djinns en voyant la moche carusat-el-baxar. Les abysses marins, dont l'Homme en sait moins que Mars et la Lune est le lieu de residence des djinns, comme tu ns l'a appris. Merci, mais Je ne savais meme pas cela.
Alors, ds les abysses, se comportent-ils de la meme facon que du temps, ou la terre etait la leur ..? C'est a dire s'entretuer comme nous le faisons ? Si la mochete de la video chasse le poisson, avec des lances, a priori, la reponse est oui. Te souviens-tu que j'ai plutot ete marque par l'aggressivite inattendue chez elle, en plus de son horreur, qui ne cadrait pas avec sa romantisation ds les contes.
Avec ce que tu ns dis des djinns, tout devient coherent.
Mais, iblis ou s'acquitte-t-il de sa punition pour sa deplacee arrogance? Car, il n'est pas puni pour refuser Adam, mais l'est plus pour sa petite rebellion a un ordre divin. Alors, ou purge-t-il sa peine? Parmi nous, ou bien la meme ou il perpetra son odieux crime de lese-majeste?

Ps: lache, s'il te plait, le max meme les autres aspects que tu sais, et qui seraient importants, et que je n'ai pas trouve les bonnes questions.

Merci.

Ce message a été modifié par the turtle - 25 novembre 2013 - 06:14 .

[agentlo]

the turtle, le 25 November 2013 - 02:21 AM, dit :

Cher frere Agentlo,
Mais, iblis ou s'acquitte-t-il de sa punition pour sa deplacee arrogance? Car, il n'est pas puni pour refuser Adam, mais l'est plus pour sa petite rebellion a un ordre divin. Alors, ou purge-t-il sa peine? Parmi nous, ou bien la meme ou il perpetra son odieux crime de lese-majeste?
Ps: lache, s'il te plait, le max meme les autres aspects que tu sais, et qui seraient importants, et que je n'ai pas trouve les bonnes questions.
Merci.

Bro the Punishment of Iblis is that he will never enter Al Jannah. He asked Allah to be given long life so that he can astray Mankind and challenged Allah. Allah granted his wish and also promised that he will not have the will nor the power over his servants (mankind) only those who astray from the right path. Men who repent will be granted the Jannah and ask taubah from Allah subhanahu wa ta3alla, while Ibliss will not even have a repentence as he directly challenged Allah with his arrogance.

The conversation between God and Iblis has been narrated in the Holy Qur'an as follows:

"Iblis said: Give me respite till the Resurrection Day. Allah said: Be you among those who are given respite. He said: Because You have thrown me out of the way, I will certainly lie in wait for them on Your Straight Path. Then will assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, nor will You find most of them grateful." (7: 14-18)

"Whoso shall follow My Guidance, on them shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve. But those who will disbelieve and treat Our Signs as lies, they shall be the inmates of the fire and they shall abide therein." (2: 39, 40)

Here is a sign for those who wants to believe. Look at how a carterpillar become a beautiful butterfly.


Sourat Yunus-6
Verily, in the alternation of the night and the day, and in all that Allah hath created, in the heavens and the earth, are Signs for those who fear Him.

[king(1)]

the turtle, le 25 November 2013 - 02:21 AM, dit :

Cher frere Agentlo,

Maintenant, je comprends mieux pourquoi tu as parle tout de suite des djinns en voyant la moche carusat-el-baxar. Les abysses marins, dont l'Homme en sait moins que Mars et la Lune est le lieu de residence des djinns, comme tu ns l'a appris. Merci, mais Je ne savais meme pas cela.
Alors, ds les abysses, se comportent-ils de la meme facon que du temps, ou la terre etait la leur ..? C'est a dire s'entretuer comme nous le faisons ? Si la mochete de la video chasse le poisson, avec des lances, a priori, la reponse est oui. Te souviens-tu que j'ai plutot ete marque par l'aggressivite inattendue chez elle, en plus de son horreur, qui ne cadrait pas avec sa romantisation ds les contes.
Avec ce que tu ns dis des djinns, tout devient coherent.
Mais, iblis ou s'acquitte-t-il de sa punition pour sa deplacee arrogance? Car, il n'est pas puni pour refuser Adam, mais l'est plus pour sa petite rebellion a un ordre divin. Alors, ou purge-t-il sa peine? Parmi nous, ou bien la meme ou il perpetra son odieux crime de lese-majeste?

Ps: lache, s'il te plait, le max meme les autres aspects que tu sais, et qui seraient importants, et que je n'ai pas trouve les bonnes questions.

Merci.

Bro,
Satan is the prince of Darkness. He hated Adam and his wife Eve because they a good relationship with God. He tempted them to eat from the forbidden tree in the middle of the garden Eden. By doing this, he brought SIN to their lives; they disobeyed God and therefore lost their link with Heaven. They inherited four things from that first sin:
1. death "For the wages of sin are death"
2.Fear.
3. Shame.
4. loss of their relationship with God.

Salvation is not by deeds but by faith and the Gate to eternal Life is LOVE!

Ce message a été modifié par king(1) - 25 novembre 2013 - 12:17 .

[the turtle]

Merci agentlo.

Ps: King, c'est ton droit de croire tout ce que tu veux. La lune comme les poissons rouges, pour dieu et religion. Mais, ne te meprends pas sur moi. Je suis musulman et heureux de l'etre.

agentlo, le 25 novembre 2013 - 09:53 , dit :

Bro the Punishment of Iblis is that he will never enter Al Jannah. He asked Allah to be given long life so that he can astray Mankind and challenged Allah. Allah granted his wish and also promised that he will not have the will nor the power over his servants (mankind) only those who astray from the right path. Men who repent will be granted the Jannah and ask taubah from Allah subhanahu wa ta3alla, while Ibliss will not even have a repentence as he directly challenged Allah with his arrogance.

The conversation between God and Iblis has been narrated in the Holy Qur'an as follows:

"Iblis said: Give me respite till the Resurrection Day. Allah said: Be you among those who are given respite. He said: Because You have thrown me out of the way, I will certainly lie in wait for them on Your Straight Path. Then will assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and from their left, nor will You find most of them grateful." (7: 14-18)

"Whoso shall follow My Guidance, on them shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve. But those who will disbelieve and treat Our Signs as lies, they shall be the inmates of the fire and they shall abide therein." (2: 39, 40)

Here is a sign for those who wants to believe. Look at how a carterpillar become a beautiful butterfly.


Sourat Yunus-6
Verily, in the alternation of the night and the day, and in all that Allah hath created, in the heavens and the earth, are Signs for those who fear Him.