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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 01:00

Voir le messageking(1), le 25 November 2013 - 09:04 AM, dit :

Two simple questions:
1. Where is the Temple now?
It was always there in Jerusalem before Umar's conquest.
2. Where was the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem before Islam though there were no Muslims in the city?


Warya admit you made a mistake rather running around with blablabla and blame Islam for the destruction of Masjid Al Haram in Jerusalem.

Did you know?
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa was the second Masjid on earth.
That, it was built 40 years after the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, most scholars are of the opinion that Masjidul Al Aqsa was first built by Prophet Adam [as].
That, Ibrahim [as] rebuilt the Masjidul Al Aqsa in Jerusalem as he and Ismail [as] rebuilt the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, Prophet Daud [as] began the rebuilding of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, it was Prophet Sulayman [as] who finally completed the building of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] was destroyed in 587 BC by Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon.
That, the Jews call this same Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] as their Temple.
That, the Jews re-built their Temple on them same site in 167 BC but was destroyed in 70 AD and Jews banished from Jerusalem.
That, the site of Masjidul Al Aqsa remained barren and was used as a rubbish tip for nearly 600 years until the Great Khalifah Umar bin Khattab liberated Jerusalem in 637/8 AD.
That, the Khalifah Umar bin Khattab began the foundation of Masjidul Al Aqsa and a timber mosque was built.
That, the Umayyad Khalifah, Abd’ al Malik ibn Marwan in 691/2 [72/73 AH] began the construction of, Dome of the Rock – today this is the Golden Domed Mosque.
That, the al Buraq wall or Western Wall where Prophet Muhammad [saas] tied his animal the Buraq on the night journey of al Isra is what the Jews call the wailing wall.
That, to Muslims it is the land or the Haram Sharif area which is most holy and important.
That, the Haram area of Al Aqsa has within it the Masjidul Al Aqsa [Black Domed Mosque] and Dome of the Rock [the Golden Domed Mosque].
That, Israel occupied Masjidul Al Aqsa in 1967 till now.


So your theory that Muslims were not there does not hold water King, All the above mentiones Prophets who build the mosque are Muslims unless you will say that they are not because you know better than us.

Here is what a Jewish Professor saying it in plain english:



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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 01:01

Voir le messageking(1), le 25 November 2013 - 09:04 AM, dit :

Two simple questions:
1. Where is the Temple now?
It was always there in Jerusalem before Umar's conquest.
2. Where was the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem before Islam though there were no Muslims in the city?


Warya admit you made a mistake rather running around with blablabla and blame Islam for the destruction of Masjid Al Haram in Jerusalem.

Did you know?
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa was the second Masjid on earth.
That, it was built 40 years after the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, most scholars are of the opinion that Masjidul Al Aqsa was first built by Prophet Adam [as].
That, Ibrahim [as] rebuilt the Masjidul Al Aqsa in Jerusalem as he and Ismail [as] rebuilt the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, Prophet Daud [as] began the rebuilding of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, it was Prophet Sulayman [as] who finally completed the building of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] was destroyed in 587 BC by Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon.
That, the Jews call this same Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] as their Temple.
That, the Jews re-built their Temple on them same site in 167 BC but was destroyed in 70 AD and Jews banished from Jerusalem.
That, the site of Masjidul Al Aqsa remained barren and was used as a rubbish tip for nearly 600 years until the Great Khalifah Umar bin Khattab liberated Jerusalem in 637/8 AD.
That, the Khalifah Umar bin Khattab began the foundation of Masjidul Al Aqsa and a timber mosque was built.
That, the Umayyad Khalifah, Abd’ al Malik ibn Marwan in 691/2 [72/73 AH] began the construction of, Dome of the Rock – today this is the Golden Domed Mosque.
That, the al Buraq wall or Western Wall where Prophet Muhammad [saas] tied his animal the Buraq on the night journey of al Isra is what the Jews call the wailing wall.
That, to Muslims it is the land or the Haram Sharif area which is most holy and important.
That, the Haram area of Al Aqsa has within it the Masjidul Al Aqsa [Black Domed Mosque] and Dome of the Rock [the Golden Domed Mosque].
That, Israel occupied Masjidul Al Aqsa in 1967 till now.


So your theory that Muslims were not there does not hold water King, All the above mentiones Prophets who build the mosque are Muslims unless you will say that they are not because you know better than us.

Here is what a Jewish Professor saying it in plain english:



I hope you get the message.
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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 01:02

Voir le messageking(1), le 25 November 2013 - 09:04 AM, dit :

Two simple questions:
1. Where is the Temple now?
It was always there in Jerusalem before Umar's conquest.
2. Where was the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem before Islam though there were no Muslims in the city?


Warya admit you made a mistake rather running around with blablabla and blame Islam for the destruction of Masjid Al Haram in Jerusalem.

Did you know?
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa was the second Masjid on earth.
That, it was built 40 years after the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, most scholars are of the opinion that Masjidul Al Aqsa was first built by Prophet Adam [as].
That, Ibrahim [as] rebuilt the Masjidul Al Aqsa in Jerusalem as he and Ismail [as] rebuilt the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, Prophet Daud [as] began the rebuilding of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, it was Prophet Sulayman [as] who finally completed the building of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] was destroyed in 587 BC by Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon.
That, the Jews call this same Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] as their Temple.
That, the Jews re-built their Temple on them same site in 167 BC but was destroyed in 70 AD and Jews banished from Jerusalem.
That, the site of Masjidul Al Aqsa remained barren and was used as a rubbish tip for nearly 600 years until the Great Khalifah Umar bin Khattab liberated Jerusalem in 637/8 AD.
That, the Khalifah Umar bin Khattab began the foundation of Masjidul Al Aqsa and a timber mosque was built.
That, the Umayyad Khalifah, Abd’ al Malik ibn Marwan in 691/2 [72/73 AH] began the construction of, Dome of the Rock – today this is the Golden Domed Mosque.
That, the al Buraq wall or Western Wall where Prophet Muhammad [saas] tied his animal the Buraq on the night journey of al Isra is what the Jews call the wailing wall.
That, to Muslims it is the land or the Haram Sharif area which is most holy and important.
That, the Haram area of Al Aqsa has within it the Masjidul Al Aqsa [Black Domed Mosque] and Dome of the Rock [the Golden Domed Mosque].
That, Israel occupied Masjidul Al Aqsa in 1967 till now.


So your theory that Muslims were not there does not hold water King, All the above mentiones Prophets who build the mosque are Muslims unless you will say that they are not because you know better than us.

Here is what a Jewish Professor saying it in plain english:



I hope you get the message.
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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 01:03

Voir le messageking(1), le 25 November 2013 - 09:04 AM, dit :

Two simple questions:
1. Where is the Temple now?
It was always there in Jerusalem before Umar's conquest.
2. Where was the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem before Islam though there were no Muslims in the city?


Warya admit you made a mistake rather running around with blablabla and blame Islam for the destruction of Masjid Al Haram in Jerusalem.

Did you know?
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa was the second Masjid on earth.
That, it was built 40 years after the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, most scholars are of the opinion that Masjidul Al Aqsa was first built by Prophet Adam [as].
That, Ibrahim [as] rebuilt the Masjidul Al Aqsa in Jerusalem as he and Ismail [as] rebuilt the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, Prophet Daud [as] began the rebuilding of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, it was Prophet Sulayman [as] who finally completed the building of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] was destroyed in 587 BC by Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon.
That, the Jews call this same Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] as their Temple.
That, the Jews re-built their Temple on them same site in 167 BC but was destroyed in 70 AD and Jews banished from Jerusalem.
That, the site of Masjidul Al Aqsa remained barren and was used as a rubbish tip for nearly 600 years until the Great Khalifah Umar bin Khattab liberated Jerusalem in 637/8 AD.
That, the Khalifah Umar bin Khattab began the foundation of Masjidul Al Aqsa and a timber mosque was built.
That, the Umayyad Khalifah, Abd’ al Malik ibn Marwan in 691/2 [72/73 AH] began the construction of, Dome of the Rock – today this is the Golden Domed Mosque.
That, the al Buraq wall or Western Wall where Prophet Muhammad [saas] tied his animal the Buraq on the night journey of al Isra is what the Jews call the wailing wall.
That, to Muslims it is the land or the Haram Sharif area which is most holy and important.
That, the Haram area of Al Aqsa has within it the Masjidul Al Aqsa [Black Domed Mosque] and Dome of the Rock [the Golden Domed Mosque].
That, Israel occupied Masjidul Al Aqsa in 1967 till now.


So your theory that Muslims were not there does not hold water King, All the above mentiones Prophets who build the mosque are Muslims unless you will say that they are not because you know better than us.

Here is what a Jewish Professor saying it in plain english:



I hope you get the message.
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Posté 25 novembre 2013 - 06:42

Voir le messageagentlo, le 25 November 2013 - 10:00 AM, dit :

Warya admit you made a mistake rather running around with blablabla and blame Islam for the destruction of Masjid Al Haram in Jerusalem.

Did you know?
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa was the second Masjid on earth.
That, it was built 40 years after the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, most scholars are of the opinion that Masjidul Al Aqsa was first built by Prophet Adam [as].
That, Ibrahim [as] rebuilt the Masjidul Al Aqsa in Jerusalem as he and Ismail [as] rebuilt the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, Prophet Daud [as] began the rebuilding of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, it was Prophet Sulayman [as] who finally completed the building of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] was destroyed in 587 BC by Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon.
That, the Jews call this same Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] as their Temple.
That, the Jews re-built their Temple on them same site in 167 BC but was destroyed in 70 AD and Jews banished from Jerusalem.
That, the site of Masjidul Al Aqsa remained barren and was used as a rubbish tip for nearly 600 years until the Great Khalifah Umar bin Khattab liberated Jerusalem in 637/8 AD.
That, the Khalifah Umar bin Khattab began the foundation of Masjidul Al Aqsa and a timber mosque was built.
That, the Umayyad Khalifah, Abd’ al Malik ibn Marwan in 691/2 [72/73 AH] began the construction of, Dome of the Rock – today this is the Golden Domed Mosque.
That, the al Buraq wall or Western Wall where Prophet Muhammad [saas] tied his animal the Buraq on the night journey of al Isra is what the Jews call the wailing wall.
That, to Muslims it is the land or the Haram Sharif area which is most holy and important.
That, the Haram area of Al Aqsa has within it the Masjidul Al Aqsa [Black Domed Mosque] and Dome of the Rock [the Golden Domed Mosque].
That, Israel occupied Masjidul Al Aqsa in 1967 till now.


So your theory that Muslims were not there does not hold water King, All the above mentiones Prophets who build the mosque are Muslims unless you will say that they are not because you know better than us.

Here is what a Jewish Professor saying it in plain english:



I hope you get the message.

Have you really understood what the Professor is saying?
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Posté 26 novembre 2013 - 05:16

Voir le messageking(1), le 25 November 2013 - 03:42 PM, dit :

Have you really understood what the Professor is saying?


Nice try King the re-born christian.

Have nice day.

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Posté 26 novembre 2013 - 09:16

If David who was the king of the Nation of Israel, was Muslim, then you are saying that all Jews are Muslim. But this is not what you believe. Here is what is the generally accepted history of the temple.
Here is the history of the Temple according to a Jewish website.

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The Jewish Temples:
The First Temple - Solomon's Temple
Jewish Temple: Table of Contents | Second Temple | Jerusalem During First Temple
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The crowning achievement of King Solomon's reign was the erection of the magnificent Temple (Hebrew- Beit haMikdash) in the capital city of ancient Israel - Jerusalem. His father, King David, had wanted to build the great Temple a generation earlier, as a permanent resting place for the Ark of the Covenant which contained the Ten Commandments. A divine edict, however, had forbidden him from doing so: "You will not build a house for My name," God said to David, "for you are a man of battles and have shed blood" (I Chronicles 28:3).

Artists rendering of Solomon's Temple

The Bible's description of Solomon's Temple (also called The First Temple) suggests that the inside ceiling was was 180 feet long, 90 feet wide, and 50 feet high. The highest point on the Temple that King Solomon built was actually 120 cubits tall (about 20 stories or about 207 feet).

According to the Tanach (II Chronicles):
3:3- "The length by cubits after the ancient measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits".
3:4- "And the porch that was before the house, the length of it, according to the breadth of the house, was twenty cubits, and the height a hundred and twenty; and he overlaid it within with pure gold."

Solomon spared no expense for the building's creation. He ordered vast quantities of cedar wood from King Hiram of Tyre (I Kings 5:20­25), had huge blocks of the choicest stone quarried, and commanded that the building's foundation be laid with hewn stone. To complete the massive project, he imposed forced labor on all his subjects, drafting people for work shifts that sometimes lasted a month at a time. Some 3,300 officials were appointed to oversee the Temple's erection (5:27­30). Solomon assumed such heavy debts in building the Temple that he is forced to pay off King Hiram by handing over twenty towns in the Galilee (I Kings 9:11).

When the Temple was completed, Solomon inaugurated it with prayer and sacrifice, and even invited non­Jews to come and pray there. He urged God to pay particular heed to their prayers: "Thus all the peoples of the earth will know Your name and revere You, as does Your people Israel; and they will recognize that Your name is attached to this House that I have built" (I Kings 8:43).

Sacrifice was the predominant mode of divine service in the Temple until it was destroyed by the Babylonians some four hundred years later, in 586 BCE. Seventy years later, after the story of Purim, a number of Jews returned to Israel - led by the prophets Ezra and Nehemiah - and the Second Temple was built on the same site. Sacrifices to God were once again resumed. During the first century B.C.E., Herod, the Roman appointed head of Judea, made substantial modifications to the Temple and the surrounding mountain, enlargening and expanding the Temple. The Second Temple, however, met the same fate as the first and was destroyed by the Romans in 70 C.E., following the failure of the Great Revolt.

As glorious and elaborate as the Temple was, its most important room contained almost no furniture at all. Known as the Holy of Holies (Kodesh Kodashim), it housed the two tablets of the Ten Commandments inside the Ark of Covenant. Unfortunately, the tablets disappeared when the Babylonians destroyed the Temple and, therefore, during the Second Temple era the Holy of Holies was reduced to small, entirely bare room. Only once a year, on Yom Kippur, the High Priest would enter this room and pray to God on behalf of the Israelite nation. A remarkable monologue by a Hasidic rabbi in the Yiddish play The Dybbuk conveys a sense of what the Jewish throngs worshiping at the Temple must have experienced during this ceremony:

God's world is great and holy. The holiest land in the world is the land of Israel. In the land of Israel the holiest city is Jerusalem. In Jerusalem the holiest place was the Temple, and in the Temple the holiest spot was the Holy of Holies.... There are seventy peoples in the world. The holiest among these is the people of Israel. The holiest of the people of Israel is the tribe of Levi. In the tribe of Levi the holiest are the priests. Among the priests, the holiest was the High Priest.... There are 354 days in the [lunar] year. Among these, the holidays are holy. Higher than these is the holiness of the Sabbath. Among Sabbaths, the holiest is the Day of Atonement, the Sabbath of Sabbaths.... There are seventy languages in the world. The holiest is Hebrew. Holier than all else in this language is the holy Torah, and in the Torah the holiest part is the Ten Commandments. In the Ten Commandments the holiest of all words is the name of God.... And once during the year, at a certain hour, these four supreme sanctities of the world were joined with one another. That was on the Day of Atonement, when the High Priest would enter the Holy of Holies and there utter the name of God. And because this hour was beyond measure holy and awesome, it was the time of utmost peril not only for the High Priest but for the whole of Israel. For if in this hour there had, God forbid, entered the mind of the High Priest a false or sinful thought, the entire world would have been destroyed.

To this day, traditional Jews pray three times a day for the Temple's restoration.

Over the centuries, the Muslims who eventually took control of Jerusalem built two mosques on the Temple Mount, the site of the two Jewish Temples. (This was no coincidence; it is a common Islamic custom to build mosques on the sites of other people's holy places.) Since any attempt to level these mosques would lead to an international Muslim holy war (jihad) against Israel, the Temple cannot be rebuilt in the foreseeable future.

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Posté 27 novembre 2013 - 06:54

Voir le messageagentlo, le 25 November 2013 - 10:01 AM, dit :

Did you know?
[i]That, Masjidul Al Aqsa was the second Masjid on earth.

You believe Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Job, Jonnah...were all Muslims and in accordance with your logic, they had no mosques to pray maybe they prayed in Mecca, which is the First Mosque on Earth and Al Aqsa your imaginative mosque in Jerusalem :P
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Posté 27 novembre 2013 - 09:25

Le lieu du pretendu temple servait de depotoir et pendant 600 ans, il n'y avait rien. Et une fois restaure, on crie les vilains et barbares musulmans tranforment en mosquee les lieux de culte des autres.
Ce n'est pas serieux une telle chanson. B)

Voir le messageagentlo, le 25 novembre 2013 - 01:00 , dit :

Warya admit you made a mistake rather running around with blablabla and blame Islam for the destruction of Masjid Al Haram in Jerusalem.

Did you know?
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa was the second Masjid on earth.
That, it was built 40 years after the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, most scholars are of the opinion that Masjidul Al Aqsa was first built by Prophet Adam [as].
That, Ibrahim [as] rebuilt the Masjidul Al Aqsa in Jerusalem as he and Ismail [as] rebuilt the Ka’ba in Makkah.
That, Prophet Daud [as] began the rebuilding of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, it was Prophet Sulayman [as] who finally completed the building of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
That, Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] was destroyed in 587 BC by Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon.
That, the Jews call this same Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] as their Temple.
That, the Jews re-built their Temple on them same site in 167 BC but was destroyed in 70 AD and Jews banished from Jerusalem.
That, the site of Masjidul Al Aqsa remained barren and was used as a rubbish tip for nearly 600 years until the Great Khalifah Umar bin Khattab liberated Jerusalem in 637/8 AD.
That, the Khalifah Umar bin Khattab began the foundation of Masjidul Al Aqsa and a timber mosque was built.
That, the Umayyad Khalifah, Abd’ al Malik ibn Marwan in 691/2 [72/73 AH] began the construction of, Dome of the Rock – today this is the Golden Domed Mosque.
That, the al Buraq wall or Western Wall where Prophet Muhammad [saas] tied his animal the Buraq on the night journey of al Isra is what the Jews call the wailing wall.
That, to Muslims it is the land or the Haram Sharif area which is most holy and important.
That, the Haram area of Al Aqsa has within it the Masjidul Al Aqsa [Black Domed Mosque] and Dome of the Rock [the Golden Domed Mosque].
That, Israel occupied Masjidul Al Aqsa in 1967 till now.


So your theory that Muslims were not there does not hold water King, All the above mentiones Prophets who build the mosque are Muslims unless you will say that they are not because you know better than us.

Here is what a Jewish Professor saying it in plain english:



I hope you get the message.

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Posté 28 novembre 2013 - 10:33

Voir le messagethe turtle, le 27 November 2013 - 06:25 PM, dit :

Le lieu du pretendu temple servait de depotoir et pendant 600 ans, il n'y avait rien. Et une fois restaure, on crie les vilains et barbares musulmans tranforment en mosquee les lieux de culte des autres.
Ce n'est pas serieux une telle chanson. B)

Read about what happened to the Temple before you talked about mosques in Jerusalem before Islam.
Don't read History through Agentlo's eyes only. It is ridiculous if you do so 'cause you rape History :P
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Posté 28 novembre 2013 - 05:24

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Voir le messageagentlo, le 25 November 2013 - 10:00 AM, dit :

Warya admit you made a mistake rather running around with blablabla and blame Islam for the destruction
Did you know?
[

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i]That, Masjidul Al Aqsa was the second Masjid on earth.

Source?

Citation

That, it was built 40 years after the Ka’ba in Makkah.

Source?

Citation

That, most scholars are of the opinion that Masjidul Al Aqsa was first built by Prophet Adam [as].


Who are most scholars?!!!

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That, Ibrahim [as] rebuilt the Masjidul Al Aqsa in Jerusalem as he and Ismail [as] rebuilt the Ka’ba in Makkah.

Source?

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That, Prophet Daud [as] began the rebuilding of Masjidul Al Aqsa.

Here you mean the Templebut you use islamic termonolgy :P

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That, it was Prophet Sulayman [as] who finally completed the building of Masjidul Al Aqsa.
True but nobody heard about Islam or al aqsa in his time.

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That, the Jews call this same Masjidul Al Aqsa built by Sulayman [as] as their Temple.
That, the Jews re-built their Temple on them same site in 167 BC but was destroyed in 70 AD and Jews banished from Jerusalem.

Here you have admitted the Aqsa is the Temple but you don't want it belonged to Jews.


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That, the Khalifah Umar bin Khattab began the foundation of Masjidul Al Aqsa and a timber mosque was built.

I agree with you on this. This means he turned the Temple into a mosque.
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