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L’Exode Des Cerveaux Djiboutien Ver Le Pays Occidentaux A Augmenté. Voila encore un autre jeune Djiboutien nomme Issé Abdi Noter : -----

#1 L'utilisateur est hors-ligne   kun ciil Icône

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Posté 11 septembre 2009 - 07:07

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Au cours de dernières années, l'exode des cerveaux Djiboutien ver le pays occidentaux a augmenté. On sait que les pays du tiers monde perdent chaque années un pourcentage élevé de leur personnel hautement qualifie par émigration vers les Etats-Unis, le Canada et l'Australie. Voila encore un autre jeune Djiboutien nomme Issé Abdi.





Il en aura fallu du temps et de la détermination à Issé Abdi pour faire sa place dans l'ingénierie québécoise.
Cet ingénieur de 36 ans, originaire de la république de Djibouti, en Afrique de l'Est, est aujourd'hui responsable de la surveillance des travaux de construction d'un pont enjambant la rivière Allard à Matagami, un projet de plus de 15 millions de dollars.

À l'emploi d'Aecom Tecsult depuis quelques jours, M. Abdi venait à peine d'arriver à Matagami au moment de l'entrevue. " Il y a beaucoup de forêts et d'eau ici. C'est vraiment magnifique ! " dit-il d'entrée de jeu.

Avant d'en arriver à ce poste de responsabilité, M. Abdi a trimé dur. Après avoir fait ses études d'ingénierie en France, il a immigré au Québec en février 2004. Il a dû alors entreprendre les démarches pour obtenir un permis d'exercice de l'Ordre des ingénieurs du Québec (OIQ).

" En arrivant ici, je voulais commencer à travailler immédiatement, se rappelle-t-il. J'ai passé une bonne dizaine d'entrevues... Tous les recruteurs m'ont dit que je devais être membre de l'Ordre et bilingue. " Pour devenir membre de l'OIQ, il devait notamment mettre à jour ses connaissances.

Faire d'une pierre deux coups

M. Abdi a donc décidé de faire d'une pierre deux coups : il s'est inscrit à la maîtrise en génie civil à l'Université Concordia, à Montréal. Retourner à l'école, en anglais de surcroît, c'est ce qu'il appelle aujourd'hui avec humour ses deux premiers défis en sol québécois.

Une fois ces études achevées, un troisième défi s'est aussi présenté sur sa route : l'adaptation à un nouveau rythme de travail.

" Ici, la productivité et la culture d'entreprise sont bien différentes de ce que j'avais connu à Djibouti, souligne-t-il. Il m'a fallu m'adapter rapidement à un rythme de travail et à un environnement bien différent. L'important, c'est qu'au fond, aucun de ces défis n'était insurmontable. "

Taux de chômage élevé

Les ingénieurs issus de l'immigration n'ont toutefois pas tous la chance de décrocher un emploi comme l'a fait Issé Abdi.

Selon les données de l'OIQ, 15 % des ingénieurs étrangers qui détiennent un permis d'exercice au Québec n'arrivent pas à trouver d'emploi dans leur domaine. Cela contraste avec la situation de plein emploi ou presque que connaît l'ensemble des ingénieurs. Le taux de chômage de ceux-ci est inférieur à 4 %.

Cet écart est dû au fait que bon nombre d'ingénieurs étrangers sont spécialisés dans des domaines moins recherchés au Québec. Actuellement, la demande bas son plein en génie civil, analyse Pierre Asselin, vice- président exécutif d'Aecom Tecsult. Bref, ceux qui ne détiennent pas une spécialité du génie en demande doivent chercher un travail plus longtemps.

Cela n'explique pas tout, croit pour sa part Étienne Couture, président du Réseau des ingénieurs du Québec.

" Certaines firmes de génie québécoises ont une certaine réticence à embaucher des ingénieurs étrangers. Notre devoir est de mettre en valeur l'importance de les recruter et de tout faire pour favoriser leur intégration ", estime-t-il.

Le Réseau des ingénieurs du Québec a d'ailleurs mis sur pied un comité de travail pour étudier cette question de plus près. Ses recommandations ne seront toutefois pas connues avant au moins six mois.

15 %

Proportion des ingénieurs étrangers qui détiennent un permis d'exercice au Québec mais qui n'arrivent pas à trouver d'emploi dans leur domaine.

Source : Ordre des ingénieurs du Québec

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Posté 11 septembre 2009 - 09:40

En tout cas il n'est pas le seul. il y a aussi Aboubaker omar Hadi, l'ancien Dir commercial du port de Djibouti. il a rejoint le groupe Sifax qui gere 53 port dans le monde. il y aura d'autre qui vont suivre, y comprit moi. j vai plier ma case de PK 12 et j vai atterir à silicon valley.

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Posté 12 septembre 2009 - 06:22

It doesn't mean we don't forget our home country. There isn't alot of opportunities like these in Djibouti. Put yourself in the the skin of a scientist: you rather live in a fully equipment labotory than rotting in a under budgeted so you hate every second of it.

Neverless, it's better to acquire experience abroad for future project for our country and set some contacts instead of just relying on those greedy-grandpa to mentor on how to suck up to them for every aspect.

In order to keep your highly educated capital, Djibouti should start offering a fair and equal opportunities for all. If not, they might end up in a another country near you and giving that sad look towards their home country after all they have done to work on a diploma.

Sad ... but it's life.
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Posté 12 septembre 2009 - 09:31

Hi there!

I agree with Fluid because I am sure that Abdi and his friends will be back home one day with more experience or maybe money to invest in their country.

Peace.
Better future for our kids.
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Posté 12 septembre 2009 - 10:06

Maybe one day .... or not. Depends on the political situation. There is alot of uncles, cousin and grandpa's to vacate their seat for better politician that (maybe) will bring some reassurance to our little homeland.

If not, who would like to their sacrifice detroyed in a day?
"Remember others in their quests to fulfill their own ambitions" Mona Minkara
"Until the power of love can overcome the love of power the world will not know peace" Unknown From a washroom wall lol
"Leaders must invoke an alchemy of great vision.” Henry Kissinger
"Be careful, Anais, abnormal pleasures kill the taste for normal ones." Eduardo
"From a sensitive woman's heart springs the hapiness of mankind." Khalil Gibran
"Tout est stereospecifique dans la vie." Dr Mezl
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Posté 13 septembre 2009 - 12:34

I certainly wouldnt be mad at one for trying to better their lifes and their family's life, but then if our most skilled individuals jumped ship who will build our "future". After all you wouldnt expect those so called greedy grandpaps to do anything for the next generation




Voir le messageFluid, le 12 septembre 2009 - 07:22 , dit :

It doesn't mean we don't forget our home country. There isn't alot of opportunities like these in Djibouti. Put yourself in the the skin of a scientist: you rather live in a fully equipment labotory than rotting in a under budgeted so you hate every second of it.

Neverless, it's better to acquire experience abroad for future project for our country and set some contacts instead of just relying on those greedy-grandpa to mentor on how to suck up to them for every aspect.

In order to keep your highly educated capital, Djibouti should start offering a fair and equal opportunities for all. If not, they might end up in a another country near you and giving that sad look towards their home country after all they have done to work on a diploma.

Sad ... but it's life.

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Posté 13 septembre 2009 - 04:17

Voir le messagetony, le 12 September 2009 - 04:34 PM, dit :

I certainly wouldnt be mad at one for trying to better their lifes and their family's life, but then if our most skilled individuals jumped ship who will build our "future". After all you wouldnt expect those so called greedy grandpaps to do anything for the next generation


What makes a skilled individual more valuable: knowledge and experience.
How to attract them and secure their journey: opportunities and political stability.
What to they need to keep them working: capitals and resources.
Favoritism and weak government is going to delay any project, ideas and concept for our little land. Especially, the education seems a little more funded and the health underfunded. Come on, as a human being, we need reassurance. I wonder a student currently in Europe and with a bright mind treated with great respect won't substitute his little living for a unstable system. They'll continue to enriched themselves and send some funds to their families to show their gratitude for their effort.

This greedy people might think for the short term .... But Karma is one hell of a Bitch when she gets to it. All of your action follows you to your grave and not what you stack in your hidden account. However, they don't feel the misery while bowing for their prayer... if they ever pray (behind camera).
"Remember others in their quests to fulfill their own ambitions" Mona Minkara
"Until the power of love can overcome the love of power the world will not know peace" Unknown From a washroom wall lol
"Leaders must invoke an alchemy of great vision.” Henry Kissinger
"Be careful, Anais, abnormal pleasures kill the taste for normal ones." Eduardo
"From a sensitive woman's heart springs the hapiness of mankind." Khalil Gibran
"Tout est stereospecifique dans la vie." Dr Mezl
"Somebody is gonna get a hurt real bad." Russel Peters
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Posté 13 septembre 2009 - 07:19

Pourquoi pas?

Que les cerveaux aillent faire leurs vies là où on en a besoin au lieu de pourrir au bled. Ce gars construit un pont au Québec alors qu'au pays il n'aurait jamais cette chance. Toutes les constructions majeures de notre pays ont été conçues et réalisé par des étrangers (ponts, quais, route de l'unité, etc.).

Chez nous les ingénieurs sont sous les ordres d'individus tout droit sorti du moyen âge. Les diplômés qui veulent utilser leur compétences doivent aller où ils veulent. Si tout va bien, ils reviendront un jour.

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Posté 13 septembre 2009 - 09:26

Yes, it depends on the political situation but I think it is not going to be like this forever.
Better future for our kids.
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Posté 14 septembre 2009 - 01:05

Well im not really sure if you told me anything new here, we all took economics 101 at some point in school. I'd believe you have a valid point in pointing out favoritism (Inadeer shit) and weak government structure and I'm definitely in agreement with that, but there's got to be a time where you just say; "what can I do for my country not the other way around"JFK, what do I bring to the table, how can I contribute to the development of my country. Africain gouverments including our beloved Djibouti are corrupt to some degree if not all, and yes opportunities are limited but we do have political stability. More power to those who were able to secured good occupations abroad, but to support the notion of westerns picking out our brains is ridiculous to say the least.....it all starts with people like you and I at the grassroot level. Exodus back to the motherland:)





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What makes a skilled individual more valuable: knowledge and experience.
How to attract them and secure their journey: opportunities and political stability.
What to they need to keep them working: capitals and resources.
Favoritism and weak government is going to delay any project, ideas and concept for our little land. Especially, the education seems a little more funded and the health underfunded. Come on, as a human being, we need reassurance. I wonder a student currently in Europe and with a bright mind treated with great respect won't substitute his little living for a unstable system. They'll continue to enriched themselves and send some funds to their families to show their gratitude for their effort.

This greedy people might think for the short term .... But Karma is one hell of a Bitch when she gets to it. All of your action follows you to your grave and not what you stack in your hidden account. However, they don't feel the misery while bowing for their prayer... if they ever pray (behind camera).

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Posté 14 septembre 2009 - 05:55

I spoke in general and didn't pintpoint on my case. However, it is a sad way that you already pointed that we haven't done the least. First of all, I've started in a young age to battled certain ideas and project. I have been dissapointed and will be dissapointed to this day how my projects shifted since my programs has to go through the political system and policies. Neverless, this doesn't phase me and still continue to find ways to help my people at least those that I left behind that needs a hand. Since you forgot, I stated that we won't forget our homeland no matter where we are or what we do. If we have the capacity to invest certain project we want without the help of the corrupted government: no doubt we would be there. However, I still think Djibouti could have given the chance to their highly professional individuals with the money they stock in their pocket rather than accepting a poor business agreement from abroad.

PS: WE still have a long way to go ... one day maybe.
"Remember others in their quests to fulfill their own ambitions" Mona Minkara
"Until the power of love can overcome the love of power the world will not know peace" Unknown From a washroom wall lol
"Leaders must invoke an alchemy of great vision.” Henry Kissinger
"Be careful, Anais, abnormal pleasures kill the taste for normal ones." Eduardo
"From a sensitive woman's heart springs the hapiness of mankind." Khalil Gibran
"Tout est stereospecifique dans la vie." Dr Mezl
"Somebody is gonna get a hurt real bad." Russel Peters
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Posté 15 septembre 2009 - 01:31

Well to be perfectly honest with you, the shit you wrote here does NOT any sense whatsoever!!!
On one hand you are saying that you are speaking in general while on the other you described your personal agenda(ideas, projects) in great detail. For one to do something there's an adminstrative process in which they have to go through such as licensing, tax etc .... and they might be a little hassle, but this is Africa, everything is a hassle dear. Though they are known to be corrupt, government is the solution to our problems, but if you will always be dissapointed in them then you have no reason to complain. Now, these so called highly educated professionals are nothing but capitalist wovlves who settled for a little miserable life abroad rather then giving back to their community.





Voir le messageFluid, le 14 septembre 2009 - 06:55 , dit :

I spoke in general and didn't pintpoint on my case. However, it is a sad way that you already pointed that we haven't done the least. First of all, I've started in a young age to battled certain ideas and project. I have been dissapointed and will be dissapointed to this day how my projects shifted since my programs has to go through the political system and policies. Neverless, this doesn't phase me and still continue to find ways to help my people at least those that I left behind that needs a hand. Since you forgot, I stated that we won't forget our homeland no matter where we are or what we do. If we have the capacity to invest certain project we want without the help of the corrupted government: no doubt we would be there. However, I still think Djibouti could have given the chance to their highly professional individuals with the money they stock in their pocket rather than accepting a poor business agreement from abroad.

PS: WE still have a long way to go ... one day maybe.

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Posté 15 septembre 2009 - 02:32

Voir le messagetony, le 14 September 2009 - 05:31 PM, dit :

Well to be perfectly honest with you, the shit you wrote here does NOT any sense whatsoever!!!
On one hand you are saying that you are speaking in general while on the other you described your personal agenda(ideas, projects) in great detail. For one to do something there's an adminstrative process in which they have to go through such as licensing, tax etc .... and they might be a little hassle, but this is Africa, everything is a hassle dear. Though they are known to be corrupt, government is the solution to our problems, but if you will always be dissapointed in them then you have no reason to complain. Now, these so called highly educated professionals are nothing but capitalist wovlves who settled for a little miserable life abroad rather then giving back to their community.


- I do have a reason to complain since My people won't profit on what I got to offer ... Isn't that the reason of giving back to the community?

- Africa is a hassle as you said .. No doubt. But, for the youth, How much can they can it? There is a limit to everything if not, they might want to collect those little change from multinational corporation and not get as much profit compare to when they invest without their own.

- I could see you can't read between the lines. Highly educated professionals are not all capitalist but a very bright mind Won't spend his time waiting that someone has pity on him to give him an poor opportunity when a nomads is sitting in a spot that needs special qualification.

That my friend ... Not everyone has a agenda ... It's just our time and efforts needs to be respected.
"Remember others in their quests to fulfill their own ambitions" Mona Minkara
"Until the power of love can overcome the love of power the world will not know peace" Unknown From a washroom wall lol
"Leaders must invoke an alchemy of great vision.” Henry Kissinger
"Be careful, Anais, abnormal pleasures kill the taste for normal ones." Eduardo
"From a sensitive woman's heart springs the hapiness of mankind." Khalil Gibran
"Tout est stereospecifique dans la vie." Dr Mezl
"Somebody is gonna get a hurt real bad." Russel Peters
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