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Bismillahi Rahmani Raheeem,
bouchra, le Sunday 11 November 2007, 13:24, dit :
Franchement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
j'ose esperer que vs n'etes pas serieuses..........Dans le cas contraire (hélàs) dites moi où est le rapport entre l'amour (oh oui! ça éxiste!!!!)la couleur de la peau et la religion...
quel est votre age !!!
depuis quand aimez-vous un homme!!! 10, 20 ans de mariage? SI UN MARIAGE TOMBE EN RUINE , rien à voir avec la différence!!! SAVEZ VOUS QUE C EST JUSTEMENT CETTE DIFFERENCE QUI UNI QUI SOUDE UN COUPLE ...mariez vous avec l'homme que vous aimez........ c'est tout le bonheur que je vous souhaite....avec la bénédiction de vos parents, c'est mieux!!!
BONNE CHANCE
Bouchra you are making a good point in saying love have not color,creed or nationality and your ideas might be rememicient of the "All you need is Love" era of the late sixties and early seventies,But how many of us (us = all human beings) really want to drop all our religious/national/race beliefs/bias to create a neutral environment that is only conducive for personal growth and love? NOT MANY!!!!
There are social studies done about divorce rate among mixed mariages of couples from different religion,race in the US and it was concluded that interracial couple last longer than interfaith(inter-religious) ones.We are talking about black or white couple who have different religions ending in divorce faster and more often than black/white couples.
This shows you while love is a big factor in the survival of a marriage it is also necessary to consider what will happen down the line.For instance in an inter-faith marriage ,what religion will your kids follow(adhere/belong) as there are no christian-jews,mulism-jews,muslim-christian religions.You see if you convert to your spouse's religion or are atheist then your case is different but if you want to be a muslim and marry a spouse who is not musling then we have different belief on what makes a person to be a muslim.FOR those of us in the west (men and women) who want keep their identity as it is then MUSLIM MEN and WOMEN is the only option.ALSO YDB technically MEN are permitted to marry Christian or jewish women but it is not practical nowadays.According to QURAN and SUNNAH then christian/jewish woment we are talking about is not the kind typical Anne and Kate who frequent bars and had countless number of parterners but who Christian and Jewish women who practise their religion.So , I think in the current conditions of the above mentionned people it is hard for a man to come by a woman like that.
Desaxee, le Sunday 11 November 2007, 13:46, dit :
D'accord avec toi Bouchra, les gens manquent de vecu. Je connais pleine des femmes mariees a des etrangers qui sont tres hereuses apres 10 ou 20 ans de marriage. Et d'autres qui epousent des somalis et qui divorcent au bout de 2 ans.... Il n'a pas de formule magique pour l'amour et le marriage et cela n'a rien avoir avec la couleur de la peau et les origines.... La societe somalie est raciste et xenophobe et donc je comprends votre discours, votre mere fera une crise cardiaque si vous lui dites que demain vous allez epouser un Midgaan, pourtant le gars est somali, musulman et ecoute Nima Djama..... C'est pas degeulasse ca???
Suivez votre coeur et ne faites pas des generalisations walaal, la vie est pleine de surprises!!!!
Desaxee , you are brilliant/intelligent female and i totally respect your arguments but i have to disagree with you on some points.Yes, somali abuse/misuse Midgan who are in all practical aspects of life ,are SOMALIS but that is Tradition not Religion.You would not find any religious text mentioning marrying MIDGAN is prohibited.I think it is very crucial to distinguish TRADITION FROM RELIGION.
The initial overwelming respect and interest of people of different culture at first, is a classical case of
"CIYAL XAAFA....(fill in)", and should not be confused with gentleness,acceptance or embrace.People are curious in nature and would like to know other cultures and people.Especially westerners,who are fascinated with culture and people who they think is
"EXOTIC" and would like to have the experience of being with one.I do not know about you but i sure do not consider myself , brothers and sisters "EXOTIC".
I have witnessed many Djib/somali MEN who got married to foreign women.Women who are very respectfull but ended up in headache after a while.
True partners in life should support, encourage and affirm your cultural, religious and racial heritage but not pressure you to accept, adopt and assimilate his/her culture upon you.
I do not speak any Djib/Somali (Muslim by extension) Man or Woman, and is not my intention but would like to share my limited knowledge and experience among the learned men and women of DJIBNET FORUMS.
LAST but not least,
Wallen good work and "ALLAH YAXFIDKI" and your offsprings AMEEN.
YDB you are in the right track I pray ALLAH for you and all of us in the west to guide us and keep us in the RIGHT PATH.AMEEN.
MACA SALAMAH.
ALLAH KNOWS BEST.
A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.---Ariel Durant (an american writer and historian)
Lao Tzu - "Give A Man A Fish, Feed Him For A Day. Teach A Man To Fish, Feed Him For A Lifetime"